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		<title>By: Al</title>
		<link>http://www.tipb.com/2009/11/23/phil-schiller-addresses-app-store-developers-businessweek/comment-page-1/#comment-96145</link>
		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wow almost a year to get approved. I guess Chad was wrong on the podcast when he said it wasn&#039;t a big deal. Can you imagine putting a ton of resources into development and then being rejected for arbitrary reasons?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow almost a year to get approved. I guess Chad was wrong on the podcast when he said it wasn&#8217;t a big deal. Can you imagine putting a ton of resources into development and then being rejected for arbitrary reasons?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: jbrandonf</title>
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		<dc:creator>jbrandonf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 04:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Scottae&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You&#039;re right, but only because average consumers don&#039;t know what the hell is going on. When I show them how I can run multiple apps they are impressed, or something as simple as managing my Wifi in a hurry by tapping the stausbar, or how my Pre handles notifications. The iphone is completely capable of doing these things and its up to tech heads to get the info out there so somebody can complain and get Apple to meet their needs.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Scottae</p>

<p>You&#8217;re right, but only because average consumers don&#8217;t know what the hell is going on. When I show them how I can run multiple apps they are impressed, or something as simple as managing my Wifi in a hurry by tapping the stausbar, or how my Pre handles notifications. The iphone is completely capable of doing these things and its up to tech heads to get the info out there so somebody can complain and get Apple to meet their needs.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kaiks</title>
		<link>http://www.tipb.com/2009/11/23/phil-schiller-addresses-app-store-developers-businessweek/comment-page-1/#comment-96117</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaiks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I feel as though Apple should show a bit of guidance to developers after rejecting Apps so they can &#039;fix&#039; them for approval. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Maybe Apple should open an optional &#039;crApp&#039; store for those who don&#039;t appreciate Apple&#039;s inner control-freak. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m glad that Apps are tested for bugs and security. Although I don&#039;t like them limiting functions, making moral judgements and restricting the potential of the iPhone. I understand it is their product and they will do as they please, but I&#039;m paying them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have support for developers leaving the iPhone if it will, in the long term, make the iPhone a better product.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;@Joel Comm&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Nice video and good luck, maybe your &#039;Ka-Ching&#039; reviewer had a bad day. Maybe a counter would help, you could market it as a sales counter. How about &#039;Ziiing&#039;, &#039;that&#039;s what she said&#039; or &#039;there&#039;s an App for that&#039; buttons.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel as though Apple should show a bit of guidance to developers after rejecting Apps so they can &#8216;fix&#8217; them for approval. </p>

<p>Maybe Apple should open an optional &#8216;crApp&#8217; store for those who don&#8217;t appreciate Apple&#8217;s inner control-freak. </p>

<p>I&#8217;m glad that Apps are tested for bugs and security. Although I don&#8217;t like them limiting functions, making moral judgements and restricting the potential of the iPhone. I understand it is their product and they will do as they please, but I&#8217;m paying them.</p>

<p>I have support for developers leaving the iPhone if it will, in the long term, make the iPhone a better product.  </p>

<p>@Joel Comm</p>

<p>Nice video and good luck, maybe your &#8216;Ka-Ching&#8217; reviewer had a bad day. Maybe a counter would help, you could market it as a sales counter. How about &#8216;Ziiing&#8217;, &#8216;that&#8217;s what she said&#8217; or &#8216;there&#8217;s an App for that&#8217; buttons.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: IceBike</title>
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		<dc:creator>IceBike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Red Herring #15&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Well said.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Quote of the year award:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;I love how people say “if you don’t like it, LEAVE” are the same people who tell others to “grow up.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And more importantly, those shouting LEAVE tend to be under 18, have never run a business, or done any software development, had their mom and dad buy them the phone, and still live in their parent&#039;s basement.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;People have a right to biTch about products, because that is how things get improved. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;People look at 100,000 apps and leap the the conclusion that all is well and nothing needs improvement,  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In almost no other aspect of life does sheer numbers equate to perfection and the justification for shouting down anyone with a better idea.  If it Microsoft would be the ONLY software company, and Bill Gates would be GOD.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;No other hardware of software manufacturers get this Like it or LEAVE ranting from the fanboys.  Its a cult I tell you.  Jim Jones and the koolaid.  Sun Young Moon,  Job&#039;s Jihadist.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You expect Rene to be something more than an average enthusiast, but even HE said:
&gt;
I thought Rene said it best:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;Talk to your developers. Get a dedicated developer point man like Palm has. Take questions about the App Store (especially at WWDC). Spend less time with BusinessWeek and more talking to the great developers, so end users get those great apps. B’okay?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Red Herring #15</p>

<p>Well said.</p>

<p>Quote of the year award:</p>

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  <p>I love how people say “if you don’t like it, LEAVE” are the same people who tell others to “grow up.”</p>
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<p>And more importantly, those shouting LEAVE tend to be under 18, have never run a business, or done any software development, had their mom and dad buy them the phone, and still live in their parent&#8217;s basement.</p>

<p>People have a right to <acronym title="biTch">*****</acronym> about products, because that is how things get improved. </p>

<p>People look at 100,000 apps and leap the the conclusion that all is well and nothing needs improvement,  </p>

<p>In almost no other aspect of life does sheer numbers equate to perfection and the justification for shouting down anyone with a better idea.  If it Microsoft would be the ONLY software company, and Bill Gates would be GOD.</p>

<p>No other hardware of software manufacturers get this Like it or LEAVE ranting from the fanboys.  Its a cult I tell you.  Jim Jones and the koolaid.  Sun Young Moon,  Job&#8217;s Jihadist.  </p>

<p>You expect Rene to be something more than an average enthusiast, but even HE said:
&gt;
I thought Rene said it best:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>Talk to your developers. Get a dedicated developer point man like Palm has. Take questions about the App Store (especially at WWDC). Spend less time with BusinessWeek and more talking to the great developers, so end users get those great apps. B’okay?</p>
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		<title>By: fastlane</title>
		<link>http://www.tipb.com/2009/11/23/phil-schiller-addresses-app-store-developers-businessweek/comment-page-1/#comment-96061</link>
		<dc:creator>fastlane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Joel:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Links with underscores do not work on this blog for some reason.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Joel:</p>

<p>Links with underscores do not work on this blog for some reason.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Joel Comm</title>
		<link>http://www.tipb.com/2009/11/23/phil-schiller-addresses-app-store-developers-businessweek/comment-page-1/#comment-96050</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Comm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I find that consistency is one of the app store&#039;s biggest problems.  I made a video for Steve Jobs to address this.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.joelcomm.com/an&lt;em&gt;open&lt;/em&gt;appeal&lt;em&gt;to&lt;/em&gt;steve&lt;em&gt;jobs&lt;/em&gt;1.html&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find that consistency is one of the app store&#8217;s biggest problems.  I made a video for Steve Jobs to address this.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.joelcomm.com/an" rel="nofollow">http://www.joelcomm.com/an</a><em>open</em>appeal<em>to</em>steve<em>jobs</em>1.html</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mav</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;BTW, nobody said that Apple is perfect and doesn&#039;t make mistakes. They are humans after all. If developers or end users believe Apple is wrong in some specific cases they have full rights to complain. But it&#039;s up to Apple how they run the Appstore. Like it or not. Like a saying goes: you cannot please everyone.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, nobody said that Apple is perfect and doesn&#8217;t make mistakes. They are humans after all. If developers or end users believe Apple is wrong in some specific cases they have full rights to complain. But it&#8217;s up to Apple how they run the Appstore. Like it or not. Like a saying goes: you cannot please everyone.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: red herring</title>
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		<dc:creator>red herring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I love how people say &quot;if you don&#039;t like it, LEAVE&quot; are the same people who tell others to &quot;grow up.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In the adult world, if you like some aspects of a product, but not others, you do what you can to make your voice heard with the producer.  Taking your money elsewhere is the last (and yes, most effective) option, but not the only one.  For the vast majority of customers facing early termination fees, that option is not realistic more than every 18 months.  Could they have not bought the iPhone in the first place? Sure, but a) Apple does not say what you can and cannot do before you buy the phone, but applies rulings on an ad hoc basis, and b) for the people complaining, that is water under the bridge; the money is spent.  Voicing complaints publicly is therefore their only alternative.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;More to the point, it has been shown the &lt;em&gt;only&lt;/em&gt; effective way to prevail upon Apple.  The RogueAmoeba timeline is an instructive example:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1) Apple says RogueAmoeba cannot misuse trademarks.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;2) Developer makes application, and uses public standard APIs implemented by Apple to call another Apple device remotely, and that remote Apple device transmits an image identifying itself.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;3) Apple rejects app as a misuse of trademark, without explanation or clarification.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;4) With US law (Lanham Act) firmly on their side and specifically referring to this sort of use as non-infringing, the developer thinks this is a mistake, and, and, after hearing no explanation, resubmits.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;5) Apple rejects again, again without clarification.  Months pass.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;6) Developer complains publicly.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;7) Apple &quot;reconsiders&quot; and accepts the app as is, indicating that it is &lt;em&gt;NOT&lt;/em&gt; infringing, and 100% reversing their decision of 3 months prior and subsequent affirmations, also without explanation or clarification, just 3 months of wasted time and frustrated customers.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So, from this we can conclude:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1) If Apple even understands their own rules, they apply them inconsistently and on their own schedule.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;2) Most importantly, when bit by #1, working through Apple channels does not work, and complaining publicly (or &quot;whining&quot; as people here put it) appears to be the only way to get the job done.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love how people say &#8220;if you don&#8217;t like it, LEAVE&#8221; are the same people who tell others to &#8220;grow up.&#8221;</p>

<p>In the adult world, if you like some aspects of a product, but not others, you do what you can to make your voice heard with the producer.  Taking your money elsewhere is the last (and yes, most effective) option, but not the only one.  For the vast majority of customers facing early termination fees, that option is not realistic more than every 18 months.  Could they have not bought the iPhone in the first place? Sure, but a) Apple does not say what you can and cannot do before you buy the phone, but applies rulings on an ad hoc basis, and b) for the people complaining, that is water under the bridge; the money is spent.  Voicing complaints publicly is therefore their only alternative.</p>

<p>More to the point, it has been shown the <em>only</em> effective way to prevail upon Apple.  The RogueAmoeba timeline is an instructive example:</p>

<p>1) Apple says RogueAmoeba cannot misuse trademarks.</p>

<p>2) Developer makes application, and uses public standard APIs implemented by Apple to call another Apple device remotely, and that remote Apple device transmits an image identifying itself.</p>

<p>3) Apple rejects app as a misuse of trademark, without explanation or clarification.</p>

<p>4) With US law (Lanham Act) firmly on their side and specifically referring to this sort of use as non-infringing, the developer thinks this is a mistake, and, and, after hearing no explanation, resubmits.</p>

<p>5) Apple rejects again, again without clarification.  Months pass.</p>

<p>6) Developer complains publicly.</p>

<p>7) Apple &#8220;reconsiders&#8221; and accepts the app as is, indicating that it is <em>NOT</em> infringing, and 100% reversing their decision of 3 months prior and subsequent affirmations, also without explanation or clarification, just 3 months of wasted time and frustrated customers.</p>

<p>So, from this we can conclude:</p>

<p>1) If Apple even understands their own rules, they apply them inconsistently and on their own schedule.</p>

<p>2) Most importantly, when bit by #1, working through Apple channels does not work, and complaining publicly (or &#8220;whining&#8221; as people here put it) appears to be the only way to get the job done.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Scottae316</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scottae316</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Come on, lets get serious. The average iPhone user is happy, except for the Google Voice disaster. Only techies are &quot;upset&quot;. Sure a few developers may back away, but there is money to be made. Also, as Mav said, it&#039;s Apple&#039;s store and they can do what they want. Same with the iPhone, if you want total freedom on you phone, then go Android. No where did Apple say, oh you can do anything you want. Like most other phone platforms there are limitations. This idea that I can do anything I want because is pure BS. Grow up, because the iPhone (and BB, S60, WM) have limits. People like the iPhone because it works and there are few problems with apps they buy.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on, lets get serious. The average iPhone user is happy, except for the Google Voice disaster. Only techies are &#8220;upset&#8221;. Sure a few developers may back away, but there is money to be made. Also, as Mav said, it&#8217;s Apple&#8217;s store and they can do what they want. Same with the iPhone, if you want total freedom on you phone, then go Android. No where did Apple say, oh you can do anything you want. Like most other phone platforms there are limitations. This idea that I can do anything I want because is pure BS. Grow up, because the iPhone (and BB, S60, WM) have limits. People like the iPhone because it works and there are few problems with apps they buy.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: iProRings</title>
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		<dc:creator>iProRings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Mav. The problem is that there is no alternative avenue for developers to deliver software to iPhone end-users. How ironic that you state that if you don&#039;t like it you should &quot;go shopping elsewhere.&quot; Yet, in reality, there is no other place to go. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That is why developers take such issue with the inconsistencies of the App Store approval process; they&#039;re completely depending on Apple to allow for the delivery of their software. If Apple creates inconsistent policies, then developers can&#039;t effectively deliver software to the end-user. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That being said, this issue really isn&#039;t about developers, it&#039;s about us, the end-users. We support the iPhone, in large part, because of its apps. Our relationship with the device really hinges on the App Store and its complete transparency (in terms of policies), and how it relays that to developers.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mav. The problem is that there is no alternative avenue for developers to deliver software to iPhone end-users. How ironic that you state that if you don&#8217;t like it you should &#8220;go shopping elsewhere.&#8221; Yet, in reality, there is no other place to go. </p>

<p>That is why developers take such issue with the inconsistencies of the App Store approval process; they&#8217;re completely depending on Apple to allow for the delivery of their software. If Apple creates inconsistent policies, then developers can&#8217;t effectively deliver software to the end-user. </p>

<p>That being said, this issue really isn&#8217;t about developers, it&#8217;s about us, the end-users. We support the iPhone, in large part, because of its apps. Our relationship with the device really hinges on the App Store and its complete transparency (in terms of policies), and how it relays that to developers.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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