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		<title>By: Narcogen</title>
		<link>http://www.tipb.com/2009/09/21/att-microcell-prices-pay/comment-page-2/#comment-78388</link>
		<dc:creator>Narcogen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;GPS? Really?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How big is the antenna? Because I don&#039;t get a GPS signal from my receiver when I&#039;m in my office, but I do get a cellular signal.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We sure they aren&#039;t just saying that, and are really using ip2cc or something similar to determine location?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GPS? Really?</p>

<p>How big is the antenna? Because I don&#8217;t get a GPS signal from my receiver when I&#8217;m in my office, but I do get a cellular signal.</p>

<p>We sure they aren&#8217;t just saying that, and are really using ip2cc or something similar to determine location?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Sam perez</title>
		<link>http://www.tipb.com/2009/09/21/att-microcell-prices-pay/comment-page-2/#comment-78287</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam perez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 02:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Fill me in . I love my I phone with the broken screen and  all but the this internal antena will give me coverage in the dead zone that my work happens to be in . Now I&#039;m not sure of all the the cell phone services AT&amp;T has  how do I pick up that micro cell ?? Otherwise  us cellular will be my next option paying the cancellation fee.. Any one ? Not sure what to do&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fill me in . I love my I phone with the broken screen and  all but the this internal antena will give me coverage in the dead zone that my work happens to be in . Now I&#8217;m not sure of all the the cell phone services AT&amp;T has  how do I pick up that micro cell ?? Otherwise  us cellular will be my next option paying the cancellation fee.. Any one ? Not sure what to do</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Fassy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fassy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Lolipopjones&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Next time, read what I said, not what you wanted me to have said.  I never said zoning bans are illegal, just that federal law gives cellphone carriers an immediate, explicit channel for appeal that even radio operators lack.  Since following the link I posted is too time-consuming for some, instead I will just quote the relevant section of the 2005 NYT article:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;As carriers expand their networks to cover more residential areas, they are invoking the federal telecommunications law, which allows them to ask either a state or federal court to overturn a local zoning decision to reject a tower if that decision has the effect of prohibiting the provision of cellphone services. The federal law prohibits towns from rejecting a transmission tower on the grounds that it poses health concerns, because there is no conclusive evidence the transmissions harm people at the levels allowed by the Federal Communications Commission.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The carriers, more often than not, are winning the legal skirmishes.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lolipopjones</p>

<p>Next time, read what I said, not what you wanted me to have said.  I never said zoning bans are illegal, just that federal law gives cellphone carriers an immediate, explicit channel for appeal that even radio operators lack.  Since following the link I posted is too time-consuming for some, instead I will just quote the relevant section of the 2005 NYT article:</p>

<p>&#8220;As carriers expand their networks to cover more residential areas, they are invoking the federal telecommunications law, which allows them to ask either a state or federal court to overturn a local zoning decision to reject a tower if that decision has the effect of prohibiting the provision of cellphone services. The federal law prohibits towns from rejecting a transmission tower on the grounds that it poses health concerns, because there is no conclusive evidence the transmissions harm people at the levels allowed by the Federal Communications Commission.</p>

<p>The carriers, more often than not, are winning the legal skirmishes.&#8221;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: bent24</title>
		<link>http://www.tipb.com/2009/09/21/att-microcell-prices-pay/comment-page-2/#comment-78215</link>
		<dc:creator>bent24</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;communications &quot;medium&quot; not median&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>communications &#8220;medium&#8221; not median</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: bent24</title>
		<link>http://www.tipb.com/2009/09/21/att-microcell-prices-pay/comment-page-2/#comment-78213</link>
		<dc:creator>bent24</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am sorry but why would you be taking the load of ATT towers by having this??? Won&#039;t you have to assign who uses your MICROCELL??? Similar to your wifi router, assuming you encrypt/secure your network. If anyone can drive by your house, start a conversation, and drive off using your bandwidth then yes that would stink, but it doesn&#039;t work like that unless you allow it. I do think it should be free if you are paying for ATT DSL/or U-VERSE FIBER. Home Phone service, no it is a dying communications median at least on a residential level. Yes numbers support that last statement. In talking with a family member over the past holiday who is employed by ATT in Marketing/Statistics he sayed &quot;ATT will try and roll this out and that the monthly charge that is built in to it, is a recoupe charge more or less. They are losing alot of home phone service customers each year and if they can gain $20/month for eveyone or 1/4 of eveyone signed up for cell service through ATT then this can work to negate the number decline. Similar to signing up for DSL service through them currently. And seeing a 20-35month price tag if you have phone service, versus 30-45month without. PROTECTING THEIR BOTTOM LINE is all. Every company does this in some way or another. I am happy with my iphone service in DFW Texas area...very happy!! And my 32GB 3GS is anxiously waiting for the 7.2mbps band to start transmitting...drool!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry but why would you be taking the load of ATT towers by having this??? Won&#8217;t you have to assign who uses your MICROCELL??? Similar to your wifi router, assuming you encrypt/secure your network. If anyone can drive by your house, start a conversation, and drive off using your bandwidth then yes that would stink, but it doesn&#8217;t work like that unless you allow it. I do think it should be free if you are paying for ATT DSL/or U-VERSE FIBER. Home Phone service, no it is a dying communications median at least on a residential level. Yes numbers support that last statement. In talking with a family member over the past holiday who is employed by ATT in Marketing/Statistics he sayed &#8220;ATT will try and roll this out and that the monthly charge that is built in to it, is a recoupe charge more or less. They are losing alot of home phone service customers each year and if they can gain $20/month for eveyone or 1/4 of eveyone signed up for cell service through ATT then this can work to negate the number decline. Similar to signing up for DSL service through them currently. And seeing a 20-35month price tag if you have phone service, versus 30-45month without. PROTECTING THEIR BOTTOM LINE is all. Every company does this in some way or another. I am happy with my iphone service in DFW Texas area&#8230;very happy!! And my 32GB 3GS is anxiously waiting for the 7.2mbps band to start transmitting&#8230;drool!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
		<link>http://www.tipb.com/2009/09/21/att-microcell-prices-pay/comment-page-2/#comment-78026</link>
		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I call BS on this one!!  It should be free outside of the hardware costs.  In theory, ATT is retaining customers who are in low-signal areas with this device and they should encourage as much adoption of such a technology.  Sprint gave my sister one of these for free (hardware and monthly service) to prevent her from jumping to ATT when she moved into her new apartment.  I would think ATT might be willing to make some kind of similar deal but 19.99/mo is rediculous.  Even if you are paying for it on Sprint, it&#039;s only 4.99/mo!!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I call BS on this one!!  It should be free outside of the hardware costs.  In theory, ATT is retaining customers who are in low-signal areas with this device and they should encourage as much adoption of such a technology.  Sprint gave my sister one of these for free (hardware and monthly service) to prevent her from jumping to ATT when she moved into her new apartment.  I would think ATT might be willing to make some kind of similar deal but 19.99/mo is rediculous.  Even if you are paying for it on Sprint, it&#8217;s only 4.99/mo!!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: bugs</title>
		<link>http://www.tipb.com/2009/09/21/att-microcell-prices-pay/comment-page-2/#comment-78020</link>
		<dc:creator>bugs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Lolipopjones &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;your a tool only sprint to my recall had this clause, when i signed with verizon back in 00,01 they even promoted wide band cdma for indoor service.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;verizon still does not have lte rolled out using 700mhz there still an a channel cdma carrier which should be 800mhz.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;due to att being on 850 mhz is why gsm or analog a channel 850MHZ works indoors. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Lolipopjones get your facts straight before posting nonsense.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lolipopjones </p>

<p>your a tool only sprint to my recall had this clause, when i signed with verizon back in 00,01 they even promoted wide band cdma for indoor service.</p>

<p>verizon still does not have lte rolled out using 700mhz there still an a channel cdma carrier which should be 800mhz.</p>

<p>due to att being on 850 mhz is why gsm or analog a channel 850MHZ works indoors. </p>

<p>Lolipopjones get your facts straight before posting nonsense.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Lolipopjones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lolipopjones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@bugs.  You have a choice.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;SInce you are ignorant about Cellphone signals i suggest you take a course.  Carriers DO NOT have to provide service in your house at all..  This is due to they cannot even guarantee that the signals will be strong enough to penetrate the walls of the building you live in..&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Its simple actually on why.  Verizon uses 700mhz spectrum while carriers like AT&amp;T uses 1900mhz and now 850 in some areas.  Low frequencies like 700mhz are great for building penetration but the big downside is 700mhz cannot carry as much data throughput as 1900mhz and is very hard on the device you use.  This means you cut your throughput is half when it concerns data.  1900mhz is great for data for cellphone carriers due to it providing more data throughput but at the price of LOUSY penetration and smaller footprint.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In the most simplistic terms there isn&#039;t an simple way a carrier can give you service at home without shooting itself in the foot in other areas.  A femtocell is a great way to give you that service but since you live in some fantasy world devoid of logic you can&#039;t understand that you have to pay for that equipment.....&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You will never get 100% coverage in your house.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bugs.  You have a choice.  </p>

<p>SInce you are ignorant about Cellphone signals i suggest you take a course.  Carriers DO NOT have to provide service in your house at all..  This is due to they cannot even guarantee that the signals will be strong enough to penetrate the walls of the building you live in..</p>

<p>Its simple actually on why.  Verizon uses 700mhz spectrum while carriers like AT&amp;T uses 1900mhz and now 850 in some areas.  Low frequencies like 700mhz are great for building penetration but the big downside is 700mhz cannot carry as much data throughput as 1900mhz and is very hard on the device you use.  This means you cut your throughput is half when it concerns data.  1900mhz is great for data for cellphone carriers due to it providing more data throughput but at the price of LOUSY penetration and smaller footprint.</p>

<p>In the most simplistic terms there isn&#8217;t an simple way a carrier can give you service at home without shooting itself in the foot in other areas.  A femtocell is a great way to give you that service but since you live in some fantasy world devoid of logic you can&#8217;t understand that you have to pay for that equipment&#8230;..</p>

<p>You will never get 100% coverage in your house.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Lolipopjones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lolipopjones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Fassy:  Your are wrong Federal Law does not in any way give carriers the restrict local ban...  Why?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Because in section 704 of the Telecommunication act states that local government can enact bans on towers if they deem it can hurt property value (such as my country.)   these bans are fully legal.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The argument that we can get rid of those bans in this county is so weak because the city council of my state had the lands that towers were on and submitted in writing that since property values were impacted negatively due to the current amount of towers in the area that the carriers would not be allowed to setup any more towers at this given time.  WIth that they have rejected every carriers request and there is nothing a carrier can do...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Section 704 of the 1996 Communications Act gives local authorities the right to ban  towers as per local zoning laws.. I.E  since all of the Towers must be erected in residential areas the county compiled enough evidence to show that the towers would hurt property values.  Since my county is going through huge amounts of property development the protection of property values is enough of a legit concern to disallow carriers the right to erect new towers and allow the county to state that the current towers in the area is sufficient.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you guys want to continue arguing i suggest you read the provision in the Telecom act of 96 that gives local and state authorities the rights to ban towers as per local zoning concerns and property values.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Fassy:  Your are wrong Federal Law does not in any way give carriers the restrict local ban&#8230;  Why?</p>

<p>Because in section 704 of the Telecommunication act states that local government can enact bans on towers if they deem it can hurt property value (such as my country.)   these bans are fully legal.  </p>

<p>The argument that we can get rid of those bans in this county is so weak because the city council of my state had the lands that towers were on and submitted in writing that since property values were impacted negatively due to the current amount of towers in the area that the carriers would not be allowed to setup any more towers at this given time.  WIth that they have rejected every carriers request and there is nothing a carrier can do&#8230;</p>

<p>Section 704 of the 1996 Communications Act gives local authorities the right to ban  towers as per local zoning laws.. I.E  since all of the Towers must be erected in residential areas the county compiled enough evidence to show that the towers would hurt property values.  Since my county is going through huge amounts of property development the protection of property values is enough of a legit concern to disallow carriers the right to erect new towers and allow the county to state that the current towers in the area is sufficient.</p>

<p>If you guys want to continue arguing i suggest you read the provision in the Telecom act of 96 that gives local and state authorities the rights to ban towers as per local zoning concerns and property values.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: bugs</title>
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		<dc:creator>bugs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@christopher&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;its pretty simple actually.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;t-mo @home which uses voip is the only execption&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;if you tell me, i have to pay for equipment then pay for my internet connect to support my cell phone you are very delusional. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;i&#039;m more getting at how people are accepting this pure bullshit over anything. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;regardless of carrier tho, being sprint/tmo/att/vz&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@christopher</p>

<p>its pretty simple actually.</p>

<p>t-mo @home which uses voip is the only execption</p>

<p>if you tell me, i have to pay for equipment then pay for my internet connect to support my cell phone you are very delusional. </p>

<p>i&#8217;m more getting at how people are accepting this pure bullshit over anything. </p>

<p>regardless of carrier tho, being sprint/tmo/att/vz</p>]]></content:encoded>
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