Comments on: Yeahbuwhy?! – Palm Spoofs Apple USB Vendor ID, Files Complaint Against Apple for Misuse of USB Vendor ID

By: Sean

Sean — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:47:49 +0000

From what I have read, all media players and phones that currently sync with iTunes have paid Apple a license fee to do so. It seems to me that Palm is doing this simply to bypass the license fee. How is hacking the USB ID to bypass this license any different than someone hacking the BIOS on their computer so Windows 7 thinks its a Lenovo machine and bypass the Windows licensing scheme to use the Lenovo Master OEM key?

By: Thumper_uk

Thumper_uk — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 06:20:26 +0000

@lolypopjones if itunes were a mac only app then i would agree with you but 80% of apples itunes customers are windows users , this means apple have to piggie back on another system as well , ok the war between apple and microsoft is long over in the eyes of jobs and gates ( who both work together more than you would think ) but ii there was an option to transfer your itunes music over to a palm app then it would be sorted. In these days where 2 software giants can work together it seems abit childish that this is happening. , if the pre was not a threat to apples iphone market this would not even be news as i can hook up my wifes blackberry with a special app and sync itunes music to her blackberry , and i dont see apple stopping that as the blackberry is a different market , if apple feel threatened then instead of making a poor update iphone make the hot baby we all want , iam sure in 2010 they will have that if they dont kill the iphone market with the ipod touch coming with a camera and mic , which would be easy for a compsny to make a bolt on gsm adapter to make the touch a poor mans iphone The whole palm pissing off apple will in the end be better for all of us , as it will make apple produce the pre killing iphone , so we will gain there as long as its build is not **** like the 3gs is , i expected more this year like a hd iphone or atleast a 8mp camera on our phones this time , and yes i have both a 3g 8gb and a 32gb 3gs so i do like apple products i just hope the pre will get apple to produce a really hot upgrade well we see what happens when steve jobs is sick and away from apple ( not a lot ) now hes back i hope we see apple doing what they are good at and that is giving us the wow factor for next years upgrades.

By: Jeff

Jeff — Sun, 26 Jul 2009 22:35:08 +0000

@Hakala Isn’t finding the files in the iTunes library and sync’ing using the iTunes ecosystem? How is that better? If anyone here has ever used a program other than iTunes to import/export files into your iTunes library or device, then you are just as guilty as Palm. All the Pre is saying is “give me the files, I’ll figure out what to do with them.” Much simpler than trying to plugin a program on the desktop to interact with iTunes.

By: Hakala

Hakala — Sun, 26 Jul 2009 07:36:27 +0000

@Jeff what I was attempting to say is: why doesn’t palm just stop pretending to be an iPod and simply use the files not the software that stores them. I’m sure I’ll get anoter remark on this comment but, hey, this is what commenters do, we read, argue, reread, edit, slowly back away when the fire gets out of control. Anyways, why doesn’t palm just quit faking it’s way into iTunes and simply find the files/songs in this case/ and sync them over. If this isn’t possible someone chime in and explain how this works.

By: Lolipopjones

Lolipopjones — Sun, 26 Jul 2009 03:16:51 +0000

@Thumper_UK: Its not anti-competitive to ban third party hardware from syncing to iTunes. Whine about it all you want but thats like me crying that I have to buy an iPhone to use Apple's App Store....

Why does Apple have to offer a universal store when Amazon already does? You read the Eula and you agreed to Apple's terms when you made an account with them. Its not anti-competitive to make a store that only services your products. With your logic i should be able to use STEAM (An e-video game store on Window's based PC) on a Mac. How dare Valve make an online Video game store and force me to buy Window's based Computers because they will not support OS X or Linux based computers..

By: fassy

fassy — Sun, 26 Jul 2009 02:44:32 +0000

You might want to read further down your own link -- Samba not only implements the original IBM specification, but also Microsoft's subsequent extensions, which Allison & co. most definitely reverse engineered.

Whether you want to call the use of Samba "hacking" or not, the simple fact is that Macs using Samba (server or client) portray themselves as Windows services to other devices on the network -- effectively masquerading their true type. This is the same behavior others are decrying as immoral "hacking" when Palm does it.

By: macvan

macvan — Sat, 25 Jul 2009 20:13:37 +0000

SMB was originally developed by IBM and is free to use. Microsoft modified it at their own requirements. All UNIX like systems use SMB as it’s free and Apple don’t need to “hack” into it so to speak to make use of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ServerMessageBlock

By: Thumper_uk

Thumper_uk — Sat, 25 Jul 2009 14:40:39 +0000

Think myself apple are shooting them selfs in the foot , we pay alot of money for music on itunes and should be able to use any device to play it on , i see apple if they are not carefull ending in court for anti competition and they will loose just like microsoft did with internet explorer in windows, apple dont pay royaltys for the music they sell and just make money , if palm users buy music with itunes then apple will only gain from it , apple can if they let all models work with itunes make the others loose , like nokia music store , why should we pay 2 times for the same music ? One universal store would be perfect and seeing as apple has the largest they can only do one thing. Make profit , thats also what apples about

By: Lolipopjones

Lolipopjones — Sat, 25 Jul 2009 14:26:45 +0000

@Striatic: Again your wrong. Just because iTunes is a software does not mean it is forced to be usable for every single hardware. A company has every right to make a Store for their own products and block hardware that isn't theres.

iTunes is considered a luxury not a necessity like a hammer. So your statement does not hold water. In the case of iTunes it is an online E-store setup for customers to use for their Apple products. Apple has every right to say there store will not support third party hardware. It doesn't matter that you can download it on your Mac or Windows machine it is still an e-store designed to be with their mp3 players and phones. I don't see anyone bitching about the Zune Pass thats available only to Zunes.... I can't use the Zune pass with my iPhone....

People have an alternative to iTunes and for those bitching about how Apple is abusing i have to say... They are morons..... Read your EULA when you get iTunes as they state no third party hardware can sync to their store. Meaning its a store meant to service their products.

By: Dragonfly

Dragonfly — Sat, 25 Jul 2009 12:16:00 +0000

@ Striatic,

"the pre already has its own syncing options and its own music store through amazon". Exactly, alternative or not, Palm should stick with the decision they made when choosing Amazon as it's main music supplier and stop trying to force themselves into the iTunes echo system. Honestly this just makes Palm come across as a desperate stalker won't take no for an answer.