Comments on: Did Apple Make a Mistake With 3rd Party Apps? http://www.tipb.com/2008/06/13/did-apple-make-a-mistake-with-3rd-party-apps/ The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch Blog Sat, 20 Mar 2010 01:02:43 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Return of the Web Apps? | i-Phones Plus http://www.tipb.com/2008/06/13/did-apple-make-a-mistake-with-3rd-party-apps/comment-page-1/#comment-16630 Return of the Web Apps? | i-Phones Plus Sun, 05 Oct 2008 01:50:06 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=2806#comment-16630 <p>[...] it possible that web apps can return from the dead? It seems to me that the 2.0 firmware pretty much buried the poor web apps [...]</p> [...] it possible that web apps can return from the dead? It seems to me that the 2.0 firmware pretty much buried the poor web apps [...]

]]> By: Return of the Web Apps? - iPhone Newswire http://www.tipb.com/2008/06/13/did-apple-make-a-mistake-with-3rd-party-apps/comment-page-1/#comment-16583 Return of the Web Apps? - iPhone Newswire Sat, 04 Oct 2008 08:16:42 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=2806#comment-16583 <p>[...] it possible that web apps can return from the dead? It seems to me that the 2.0 firmware pretty much buried the poor web apps [...]</p> [...] it possible that web apps can return from the dead? It seems to me that the 2.0 firmware pretty much buried the poor web apps [...]

]]> By: Return of the Web Apps? | The iPhone Blog http://www.tipb.com/2008/06/13/did-apple-make-a-mistake-with-3rd-party-apps/comment-page-1/#comment-16542 Return of the Web Apps? | The iPhone Blog Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:42:23 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=2806#comment-16542 <p>[...] it possible that web apps can return from the dead? It seems to me that the 2.0 firmware pretty much buried the poor web apps [...]</p> [...] it possible that web apps can return from the dead? It seems to me that the 2.0 firmware pretty much buried the poor web apps [...]

]]> By: AdamC http://www.tipb.com/2008/06/13/did-apple-make-a-mistake-with-3rd-party-apps/comment-page-1/#comment-8443 AdamC Sat, 14 Jun 2008 03:03:21 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=2806#comment-8443 <p>I believe both have a part to play to make a platform awesome. The important part is able to store the completed work in the cloud so that as and when it is needed it is available immediately and anywhere.</p> I believe both have a part to play to make a platform awesome. The important part is able to store the completed work in the cloud so that as and when it is needed it is available immediately and anywhere.

]]> By: camel jockey http://www.tipb.com/2008/06/13/did-apple-make-a-mistake-with-3rd-party-apps/comment-page-1/#comment-8423 camel jockey Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:39:43 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=2806#comment-8423 <p>The most compelling reason for me to buy one is not discussed: photo geotagging. Nobody else has it and I want it. Plus, what else is coming down the pike that will require 3G? video, radio, etcl.</p> The most compelling reason for me to buy one is not discussed: photo geotagging. Nobody else has it and I want it. Plus, what else is coming down the pike that will require 3G? video, radio, etcl.

]]> By: Deda http://www.tipb.com/2008/06/13/did-apple-make-a-mistake-with-3rd-party-apps/comment-page-1/#comment-8414 Deda Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:24:34 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=2806#comment-8414 <p>I believe both native and web apps both have their place. I really don't believe people will stop using web apps just because native apps have arrived.</p> I believe both native and web apps both have their place. I really don’t believe people will stop using web apps just because native apps have arrived.

]]> By: AWright from Brighthand http://www.tipb.com/2008/06/13/did-apple-make-a-mistake-with-3rd-party-apps/comment-page-1/#comment-8413 AWright from Brighthand Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:17:33 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=2806#comment-8413 <p>First off, thanks for linking the article. I totally didn't expect that when I shared the link with Dieter.</p> <p>I <em>know</em> that we are supposed to <em>think</em> that web applications are beneficial when connected. However, my background in web development notwithstanding, Apple <strong>did</strong> state initally that the only apps for the iPhone would be web apps and widgets. They went back on that and offered teh SDK. That was their perogative, and smart to some degree.</p> <p>To say that web apps are not polished enough to be used offline is shortsighted. (1) every iPhone user who purchases one from a carrier/Apple store <strong>has</strong> has to have a data plan. US network performance notwithstanding, this guarantees an a la cate pipe to use connected apps. (2) Safari is good enough to use web apps in an offline mode now, and it will be better soon (<a href="http://news.worldofapple.com/archives/2008/06/10/apple-gives-developers-safari-4-preview/" rel="nofollow">here's proof</a>)</p> <p>I am <strong>not saying</strong> that it has to be one or the other. I am saying that Apple acquessed to very vocal developers who did not want to take the responsiblity for user experience and upkeep of applications beyond a build and deploy mentality that native apps go thru. Apple has the platform, distribution mechanism, and (at point of each iPhone release) the momentum to go the route of connected apps that are usable in offline settings and chose not to. I call it a mistake, it was an editorial and hence an opinion piece. I invite the challenge to my assertions as it gives me a better ideas as to what <em>some</em> users want, and what some companies see as beneficial to keep their pockets full :)</p> First off, thanks for linking the article. I totally didn’t expect that when I shared the link with Dieter.

I know that we are supposed to think that web applications are beneficial when connected. However, my background in web development notwithstanding, Apple did state initally that the only apps for the iPhone would be web apps and widgets. They went back on that and offered teh SDK. That was their perogative, and smart to some degree.

To say that web apps are not polished enough to be used offline is shortsighted. (1) every iPhone user who purchases one from a carrier/Apple store has has to have a data plan. US network performance notwithstanding, this guarantees an a la cate pipe to use connected apps. (2) Safari is good enough to use web apps in an offline mode now, and it will be better soon (here’s proof)

I am not saying that it has to be one or the other. I am saying that Apple acquessed to very vocal developers who did not want to take the responsiblity for user experience and upkeep of applications beyond a build and deploy mentality that native apps go thru. Apple has the platform, distribution mechanism, and (at point of each iPhone release) the momentum to go the route of connected apps that are usable in offline settings and chose not to. I call it a mistake, it was an editorial and hence an opinion piece. I invite the challenge to my assertions as it gives me a better ideas as to what some users want, and what some companies see as beneficial to keep their pockets full :)

]]> By: Murray http://www.tipb.com/2008/06/13/did-apple-make-a-mistake-with-3rd-party-apps/comment-page-1/#comment-8412 Murray Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:10:10 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=2806#comment-8412 <p>Native apps is the way for me although web based stuff has its place too. Some apps don't need an internet connection to function so why tie them to that requirement? Also, the Safari browser is a different app in itself and web apps are thus tied to the inherent limitations of that application.</p> Native apps is the way for me although web based stuff has its place too. Some apps don’t need an internet connection to function so why tie them to that requirement? Also, the Safari browser is a different app in itself and web apps are thus tied to the inherent limitations of that application.

]]> By: mark http://www.tipb.com/2008/06/13/did-apple-make-a-mistake-with-3rd-party-apps/comment-page-1/#comment-8411 mark Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:43:40 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=2806#comment-8411 <p>The very thing that the Brighthand writer points out to be a problem for developers, namely the difficulty in packaging and building for mobile platforms, is the thing that Apple believes gives it a strong competitive advantage with OS X and Xcode for developers. That advantage helps with user-stickiness, and even "lock-in", when customers go to replace their phones.</p> <p>Apple's a business, not a charity, so the decision to go native was made with strategic foresight, not just as a response to developers. And how much better is it for them to hide that strategy behind "listening to developers" mantra.</p> <p>By the way, I love Apple and am long AAPL. Just being realistic.</p> The very thing that the Brighthand writer points out to be a problem for developers, namely the difficulty in packaging and building for mobile platforms, is the thing that Apple believes gives it a strong competitive advantage with OS X and Xcode for developers. That advantage helps with user-stickiness, and even “lock-in”, when customers go to replace their phones.

Apple’s a business, not a charity, so the decision to go native was made with strategic foresight, not just as a response to developers. And how much better is it for them to hide that strategy behind “listening to developers” mantra.

By the way, I love Apple and am long AAPL. Just being realistic.

]]> By: Badmofo http://www.tipb.com/2008/06/13/did-apple-make-a-mistake-with-3rd-party-apps/comment-page-1/#comment-8410 Badmofo Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:29:37 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=2806#comment-8410 <p>@Jeff: I agree. It's good to have both, and each have their purpose.</p> @Jeff: I agree. It’s good to have both, and each have their purpose.

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